Grow persimmon in full sun and well-drained soil. Persimmon is the fruit tree in Diospyros — not black sapote, and not rose of sharon.

Give it full sun and soil that drains
| Factor | Recommended | Avoid |
|---|---|---|
| Sun | Full sun most of the day | Do not plant in shade that grows wood and little fruit |
| Soil | Well-drained loam; a grass-free circle under the canopy | Do not plant in a low pocket that stays wet after rain |
| Size | Room for a kaki tree 15 to 30 feet tall, or a taller American native | Do not squeeze it into a tight strip against a wall |
| Drought | American and Texas trees, once the roots are down | Do not treat a young kaki like a desert shrub in year one |
Persimmons need a full day of sun and ground that dries between rains. Shade and a wet pocket around the trunk are the first reasons a tree grows wood and little fruit. [1] A Fuyu and a Hachiya want the same sun and drain. Which fruit class you bought is on Types of Persimmon. Graft height and the taproot are on Planting Persimmon.
How much sun does a persimmon tree need?
Full sun most of the day. Shade makes a tall tree with little fruit.
Water a young tree often, and go easy on nitrogen
A new persimmon needs even moisture the first year. After that, water deeply in a dry spell. Heavy nitrogen pushes soft growth and drops young fruit.
- Water a newly planted tree two to four times a week at first if the soil is drying, then weekly through the first season. Do not wait for leaves to wilt. [2]
- Keep a 3 to 4 inch mulch ring, a few inches back from the bark, so rot stays off the trunk.
- Use a light, balanced feed in spring. Skip a heavy shot of quick nitrogen, which sheds fruit.
- Once established, American persimmon and Texas persimmon take dry spells better than a young kaki. Still soak them in a long drought. [3]
How often should I water a young persimmon tree?
Often the first weeks, then weekly the first year if the soil is drying. Established natives need a deep soak only in a dry stretch.
Why did my persimmon drop its fruit?
A heavy nitrogen feed, a water swing, or a huge crop will shed fruit. Ease off the feed and keep water even.
Not black sapote, ebony, or rose of sharon
Black sapote is a tropical chocolate-pudding fruit in the same genus. It will not take a regular freeze, and it is not in this catalog. Ebony is timber from other Diospyros species, not this orchard tree. True date plum is Diospyros lotus, another species we do not hold. Rose of sharon is Hibiscus syriacus, a summer-blooming shrub — care is on How to Grow Hibiscus. Sharon fruit is a market name for Fuyu-class fruit, not that shrub. American persimmon is sometimes nicknamed date plum — that native is still this fruit, on Types of Persimmon.
Is black sapote a persimmon?
It is a tropical relative, not the orange orchard fruit. Buy a named kaki or American cultivar for this page.
Pick non-astringent fruit firm, and wait until astringent fruit is jelly-soft
Color tells you the fruit is mature. Texture tells you whether it is edible. Non-astringent fruit, such as Fuyu, is ready when it is fully orange and still firm. Astringent fruit, such as Hachiya, will dry your mouth until the flesh is jelly-soft. [4] Clip the stem so the calyx stays on the fruit. American fruit follows the astringent rule. Which class you own is on Types of Persimmon.
- For non-astringent fruit, pick when the skin is fully colored and the flesh is still firm. Eat it like an apple, or hold it a few days if you want it softer.
- For astringent fruit, pick at full color and ripen at room temperature until it feels like a water balloon. A paper bag with an apple speeds the wait.
- Do not eat a firm Hachiya. Tannins make it puckery until the flesh is jelly-soft.
- Handle fruit gently. Bruises do not store.
When do I pick persimmons?
When the skin is fully orange. Eat non-astringent fruit firm. Wait until astringent fruit is jelly-soft.
Can I eat a Fuyu while it is still firm?
Yes, once it is fully orange. That is the non-astringent class, not the Hachiya rule.
If the tag says black sapote or rose of sharon, it is not this orchard tree — plant a named kaki or American persimmon in sun instead.
FAQ
Can I grow a persimmon in a pot?
Only a compact kaki in a deep draining pot, and it still wants full sun. Most shop trees belong in the ground because of the taproot.
How long until a persimmon tree fruits?
A grafted kaki often starts in three to six years. Seedlings of American persimmon can take four to nine.
What about scale on persimmon?
Scale and mealybug show up some years. Wipe them off or use a dormant oil labeled for fruit trees. Do not mix a spray from this page.
Recommended plants
References
- [1] NC State Extension -
https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/diospyros-kaki/ - [2] University of Florida IFAS -
https://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/publication/HS1389 - [3] NC State Extension -
https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/diospyros-virginiana/ - [4] NC State Extension -
https://plants.ces.ncsu.edu/plants/diospyros-kaki-fuyu/
This note is part of Diospyros Guides.
More first-season notes by plant are gathered in How to Grow Guides.
Updated: Reviewed by Bosquelle Editors





